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Brian37

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2003 7:33 pm
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Does anyone know how I can get assistance from GM to help pay for
having my intake manifold gasket replaced? I have a 2000 olds alero.
Apparently, most GM autos with the 3.4L V6 manufactured before 2001
have defective gaskets (I have even found an article from
canadiandriver.com, the link is
http://www.gm-v6lemons.com/mediaattn.htm). I feel GM should help
cover the cost (800$ CAN) to get it replaced. GM representatives have
been giving me the runaround and my dealership is no help either. Has
anyone run into this problem with their automobile?

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Dec 31, 2003 10:50 pm
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Here's your answer:

Teach the lazy/greedy/incompetent bastards in Detroit a lesson - buy a
foreign car.


Brian wrote:
 > Does anyone know how I can get assistance from GM to help pay for
 > having my intake manifold gasket replaced? I have a 2000 olds alero.
 > Apparently, most GM autos with the 3.4L V6 manufactured before 2001
 > have defective gaskets (I have even found an article from
 > canadiandriver.com, the link is
 > <a rel="nofollow" style='text-decoration: none;' href="http://www.gm-v6lemons.com/mediaattn.htm" target="_blank">http://www.gm-v6lemons.com/mediaattn.htm</a>). I feel GM should help
 > cover the cost (800$ CAN) to get it replaced. GM representatives have
 > been giving me the runaround and my dealership is no help either. Has
 > anyone run into this problem with their automobile?

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2004 12:29 am
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"Guido" wrote in message

| Here's your answer:
|
| Teach the lazy/greedy/incompetent bastards in Detroit a lesson - buy a
| foreign car.
|

GM management culture isn't known for going very far out of their way to retain
customers, from my (and friends/family/coworkers/neighbors experiences I've
heard about) in comparison with their competitor car companies I've dealt with
over 30+ years buying cars. When you tell them you're going across the street
to buy a Honda they respond "...don't let the door hit you on the way out..."
(sad to say).
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2004 4:56 am
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Brian wrote in message

 > Does anyone know how I can get assistance from GM to help pay for
 > having my intake manifold gasket replaced? I have a 2000 olds alero.
 > Apparently, most GM autos with the 3.4L V6 manufactured before 2001
 > have defective gaskets (I have even found an article from
 > canadiandriver.com, the link is
 > <a rel="nofollow" style='text-decoration: none;' href="http://www.gm-v6lemons.com/mediaattn.htm" target="_blank">http://www.gm-v6lemons.com/mediaattn.htm</a>). I feel GM should help
 > cover the cost (800$ CAN) to get it replaced. GM representatives have
 > been giving me the runaround and my dealership is no help either. Has
 > anyone run into this problem with their automobile?

The two questions that have much to do with it are;

Did you buy it new and how many miles on it?
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2004 5:14 am
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That wont teach them anything. It wont be money out of their pockets.
They'll take it out on the american work force first and send it all to
china before they loose a dollar out of their pockets.

In article , somebody.TakeThisOut@msn.invalid says...
 > Here's your answer:
 >
 > Teach the lazy/greedy/incompetent bastards in Detroit a lesson - buy a
 > foreign car.
 >
 >
 > Brian wrote:
  > > Does anyone know how I can get assistance from GM to help pay for
  > > having my intake manifold gasket replaced? I have a 2000 olds alero.
  > > Apparently, most GM autos with the 3.4L V6 manufactured before 2001
  > > have defective gaskets (I have even found an article from
  > > canadiandriver.com, the link is
  > > <a rel="nofollow" style='text-decoration: none;' href="http://www.gm-v6lemons.com/mediaattn.htm" target="_blank">http://www.gm-v6lemons.com/mediaattn.htm</a>). I feel GM should help
  > > cover the cost (800$ CAN) to get it replaced. GM representatives have
  > > been giving me the runaround and my dealership is no help either. Has
  > > anyone run into this problem with their automobile?
 >
 >
 >
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shiden_Kai

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(Msg. 6) Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2004 5:42 am
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"Brian" wrote
 > Does anyone know how I can get assistance from GM to help pay for
 > having my intake manifold gasket replaced? I have a 2000 olds alero.
 > Apparently, most GM autos with the 3.4L V6 manufactured before 2001
 > have defective gaskets I feel GM should help
 > cover the cost (800$ CAN) to get it replaced. GM representatives have
 > been giving me the runaround and my dealership is no help either. Has
 > anyone run into this problem with their automobile?

How many miles on your vehicle? If you are over
60,000 miles (100,000 kilometers), you are probably
out of luck. GM is extending their "good will" on this
repair, but from the documents I've seen...it appears
that you need to be the original owner, or have bought
the vehicle second hand from a dealership, "and" be
under 5 years/60,000 miles. In other words, they
are going to look after the people that (for the most
part) have continued to frequent the dealerships.

Ian
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Thu Jan 01, 2004 2:08 pm
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"Scott" ...


  > > Does anyone know how I can get assistance from GM to help pay for
  > > having my intake manifold gasket replaced? I have a 2000 olds alero.
  > > Apparently, most GM autos with the 3.4L V6 manufactured before 2001
  > > have defective gaskets (I have even found an article from
  > > canadiandriver.com, the link is
  > > <a rel="nofollow" style='text-decoration: none;' href="http://www.gm-v6lemons.com/mediaattn.htm" target="_blank">http://www.gm-v6lemons.com/mediaattn.htm</a>). I feel GM should help
  > > cover the cost (800$ CAN) to get it replaced. GM representatives have
  > > been giving me the runaround and my dealership is no help either. Has
  > > anyone run into this problem with their automobile?
 >
 > The two questions that have much to do with it are;
 >
 > Did you buy it new and how many miles on it?


Yes I did buy it new, the car is only three years old but there is
130,000 km on it.

I was told the "goodwill" warranty was applicable to 80,000 km.

Has anyone heard of or had any luck with a class action lawsuit
against GM regarding this matter?
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shiden_Kai

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(Msg. 8) Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2004 4:18 am
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"Brian" wrote

 > Yes I did buy it new, the car is only three years old but there is
 > 130,000 km on it.
 >
 > I was told the "goodwill" warranty was applicable to 80,000 km.
 >
 > Has anyone heard of or had any luck with a class action lawsuit
 > against GM regarding this matter?

Why would you sue? You got 130,000 klms out of the
engine before you had to replace the intake manifold gasket.
That's perfectly normal. What's the deal here....all you folks
out in internet land want the manufacturers to cover your
vehicles from cradle to grave? Get real.....you have to be
responsible for your own repairs to your own vehicle at
some point. GM would have "goodwilled" the repair at
up to 100,000 klms no questions asked, but you have another
30,000 klms on your vehicle. You got excellent mileage
out of the engine before the intake gasket let go....now it's
time for you to pick up the ball when it comes to repairing
"your" vehicle.

Ian
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2004 12:00 pm
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Well, the problem is the gasket should NOT need replacing.
There are some people who have had there engine destroyed because
coolant has leaked into it from this gasket. Should they be
responsible for forking over the cash to replace there engine
regardless of how much mileage is on their vehicle?

GM designed a plastic gasket that just doesn't seal. They f'd up.
They realized this in 2001 and modifed the part by subsistuting the
gasket with one made from a material with better sealing properties.

They have already offered full 100% compensation for pontiac owners
with this problem. (http://www.gm-v6lemons.com/PONTIAC.JPG)

Why should I and others not be compensated as well? There are other
people who agree it is GMs problem and they should be held
accountable. (http://www.gm-v6lemons.com/mediaattn.htm)

Here is the link to an online petition for a recall, help out if you
can.

<a rel="nofollow" style='text-decoration: none;' href="http://www.petitiononline.com/GMcnsmrs/petition.html" target="_blank">http://www.petitiononline.com/GMcnsmrs/petition.html</a>




"shiden_kai" wrote in message ...
 > "Brian" wrote
 >
  > > Yes I did buy it new, the car is only three years old but there is
  > > 130,000 km on it.
  > >
  > > I was told the "goodwill" warranty was applicable to 80,000 km.
  > >
  > > Has anyone heard of or had any luck with a class action lawsuit
  > > against GM regarding this matter?
 >
 > Why would you sue? You got 130,000 klms out of the
 > engine before you had to replace the intake manifold gasket.
 > That's perfectly normal. What's the deal here....all you folks
 > out in internet land want the manufacturers to cover your
 > vehicles from cradle to grave? Get real.....you have to be
 > responsible for your own repairs to your own vehicle at
 > some point. GM would have "goodwilled" the repair at
 > up to 100,000 klms no questions asked, but you have another
 > 30,000 klms on your vehicle. You got excellent mileage
 > out of the engine before the intake gasket let go....now it's
 > time for you to pick up the ball when it comes to repairing
 > "your" vehicle.
 >
 > Ian
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2004 12:03 am
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"Brian" wrote

 > Well, the problem is the gasket should NOT need replacing.
 > There are some people who have had there engine destroyed because
 > coolant has leaked into it from this gasket. Should they be
 > responsible for forking over the cash to replace there engine
 > regardless of how much mileage is on their vehicle?

And you "aren't" one of those people! Your engine
made it to 130,000 klms before the gasket needed
replacing. Nothing lasts forever. At some point, you
need to take responsibility for repairing your own
vehicle. If you think that the car has some problems,
punt it and try another brand.

By the way, GM 60 degree pushrod v-6 engines
have had intake gasket sealing problems since
the day of their inception. This problem is nothing
new, I know because I've worked on these engines
since they first appeared. It sounds to me like you
just didn't do your homework when you picked your
car.

Ian
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2004 12:09 am
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"Brian" wrote

 > They have already offered full 100% compensation for pontiac owners
 > with this problem. (http://www.gm-v6lemons.com/PONTIAC.JPG)

Did you even read this release? This has "nothing" to
do with "your" engine. This has to do with the 3800
engine and what you term "100% compensation" is
nothing more then a band-aid fix of some nuts and
coolant sealer.

Now, anyone who read your post and doesn't know
any better....will imagine that only Pontiac owners
get their intake gaskets fixed for free. That's the
internet for ya.

Ian
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2004 3:20 pm
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Ian,

You seem to be taking this quite personally.

I never said it was the same engine. I said it was the same problem.
If the problems on the 3.1 and 3.4 could be fixed as easily and at
such a low cost I am sure GM would be doing it.

Now read this service release carefully,

<a rel="nofollow" style='text-decoration: none;' href="http://www.autosafety.org/uploads/SB-10001282-8175.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.autosafety.org/uploads/SB-10001282-8175.pdf</a>

GM has REDESIGNED the part. You dont go redesigning a part unless
there is something wrong with it. In this case, the part leaks. Its
faulty and DEFECTIVE. You are telling me you would accept the fact
you paid for a car with a DEFECTIVE part, and now have to fork over
more money to get the part that actually does the job it was supposed
to do in the first place? Granted, there are a multitude of parts in
any automobile that this applies to. But that doesn't make it right.

This is not a maintenance issue, this is not a wear issue, this is not
an upkeep issue. It is a GM made a defective part issue and they
should be held accountable. The part just doesn't work. You know
this, I know this, "lemonaid" knows this, the consumer auto safety
board knows this, and GM knows this. It is not right that the
consumer has to eat the costs for GM's design mistakes. End of point,
end of discussion.

To everyone, thanks for your help and input and good luck!

And btw, I agree I didn't do my research when i purchased my car.



"shiden_kai" wrote in message ...
 > "Brian" wrote
 >
  > > They have already offered full 100% compensation for pontiac owners
  > > with this problem. (http://www.gm-v6lemons.com/PONTIAC.JPG)
 >
 > Did you even read this release? This has "nothing" to
 > do with "your" engine. This has to do with the 3800
 > engine and what you term "100% compensation" is
 > nothing more then a band-aid fix of some nuts and
 > coolant sealer.
 >
 > Now, anyone who read your post and doesn't know
 > any better....will imagine that only Pontiac owners
 > get their intake gaskets fixed for free. That's the
 > internet for ya.
 >
 > Ian
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2004 6:06 pm
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My friend has his car's engine destroyed due to this, it is a 7 yrs old car
but only ~35K miles. I would cost him about ~3K to get the re-built engine
!!!

Hai
"Brian" wrote in message

 > Well, the problem is the gasket should NOT need replacing.
 > There are some people who have had there engine destroyed because
 > coolant has leaked into it from this gasket. Should they be
 > responsible for forking over the cash to replace there engine
 > regardless of how much mileage is on their vehicle?
 >
 > GM designed a plastic gasket that just doesn't seal. They f'd up.
 > They realized this in 2001 and modifed the part by subsistuting the
 > gasket with one made from a material with better sealing properties.
 >
 > They have already offered full 100% compensation for pontiac owners
 > with this problem. (http://www.gm-v6lemons.com/PONTIAC.JPG)
 >
 > Why should I and others not be compensated as well? There are other
 > people who agree it is GMs problem and they should be held
 > accountable. (http://www.gm-v6lemons.com/mediaattn.htm)
 >
 > Here is the link to an online petition for a recall, help out if you
 > can.
 >
<font color=purple> > <a rel="nofollow" style='text-decoration: none;' href="http://www.petitiononline.com/GMcnsmrs/petition.html</font" target="_blank">http://www.petitiononline.com/GMcnsmrs/petition.html</font</a>>
 >
 >
 >
 >

...
  > > "Brian" wrote
  > >
   > > > Yes I did buy it new, the car is only three years old but there is
   > > > 130,000 km on it.
   > > >
   > > > I was told the "goodwill" warranty was applicable to 80,000 km.
   > > >
   > > > Has anyone heard of or had any luck with a class action lawsuit
   > > > against GM regarding this matter?
  > >
  > > Why would you sue? You got 130,000 klms out of the
  > > engine before you had to replace the intake manifold gasket.
  > > That's perfectly normal. What's the deal here....all you folks
  > > out in internet land want the manufacturers to cover your
  > > vehicles from cradle to grave? Get real.....you have to be
  > > responsible for your own repairs to your own vehicle at
  > > some point. GM would have "goodwilled" the repair at
  > > up to 100,000 klms no questions asked, but you have another
  > > 30,000 klms on your vehicle. You got excellent mileage
  > > out of the engine before the intake gasket let go....now it's
  > > time for you to pick up the ball when it comes to repairing
  > > "your" vehicle.
  > >
  > > Ian
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2004 11:28 pm
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"shiden_kai" wrote in message

 >
 > "Brian" wrote
 >
  > > I never said it was the same engine. I said it was the same problem.
  > > If the problems on the 3.1 and 3.4 could be fixed as easily and at
  > > such a low cost I am sure GM would be doing it.
 >
 > And this is where you are wrong. It's not the same problem.
 > You don't know what you are talking about. It's always
 > important to get the facts right before you start spouting
 > off about what GM "should" be doing. The problems
 > that affect the 3800 line of engines has "nothing" to do
 > with the problems that affect the 3100/3400 line of
 > engines.
 >
  > > Now read this service release carefully,
 >
  > > GM has REDESIGNED the part. You dont go redesigning a part unless
  > > there is something wrong with it. In this case, the part leaks. Its
 >
 > Thank you...in case you aren't aware...I'm a GM dealership
 > tech...have been for 23 years....I'm well aware of the intake
 > gasket problems....have been for years. GM has always
 > re-designed parts over the years....it's all part of learning
 > from past experience and trying to make the product better.
 > Believe me, I'm no champion of GM products...I simply
 > work on the things. I'm thankful every day that GM can't
 > seem to figure out the 60 degree engine sealing problems.
 > I have to make a living too.....heh heh....
 >
 > There are 3100/3400 engines that go even longer then
 > your vehicle before they have an intake manifold gasket
 > failure....my point is....at what point do you take
 > responsibility for your own vehicle? You cannot expect
 > GM to look after your vehicle from cradle to grave.
 > Even their "secret" extended warranties on items like
 > 2.2 head gaskets only last up to 160,000 klms. Eventually,
 > even if the part has a known failure rate....you...the owner
 > ....has to take responsibility for repairing "your own" vehicle.
 >
 > As it is...GM is stepping up to the plate and basically
 > repairing any intake gasket leaks up to 5 years/100,000
 > kilometers. And who knows.....any day now...it may
 > turn into what is referred to as "special policy" and it
 > may get extended out to 7 years/160,000 kilometers.
 > In which case, you will be able to get your money back
 > on the repair which you just had done. So I would
 > advise you to keep your receipts and keep an eye
 > on the situation. I'll be the first to let folks on here
 > know about any extended "special policy" as it
 > comes down the pipe.
 >
 > Ian


I have done my research and I like my both GM vehicule so much that I am
willing to live with the intake manifold threat.

My Montana have been trouble free for the last 2 years and 20k.

My Century 2002 is also very reliable and its a lot of car for the money
(bought use with 11 months and 15k)

Millions of 3.1 and 3.4 ran, are running or will run. Ian do you have a idea
of the percentage of 3.1 3.4 that are leaking ??? Also what are the chance
to kill an engine with that leak if you monitor the coolant let say once a
month ?

Thanks for your valuable input here,

Richard
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Sun Jan 04, 2004 12:08 am
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"Brian" wrote

 > I never said it was the same engine. I said it was the same problem.
 > If the problems on the 3.1 and 3.4 could be fixed as easily and at
 > such a low cost I am sure GM would be doing it.

And this is where you are wrong. It's not the same problem.
You don't know what you are talking about. It's always
important to get the facts right before you start spouting
off about what GM "should" be doing. The problems
that affect the 3800 line of engines has "nothing" to do
with the problems that affect the 3100/3400 line of
engines.

 > Now read this service release carefully,

 > GM has REDESIGNED the part. You dont go redesigning a part unless
 > there is something wrong with it. In this case, the part leaks. Its

Thank you...in case you aren't aware...I'm a GM dealership
tech...have been for 23 years....I'm well aware of the intake
gasket problems....have been for years. GM has always
re-designed parts over the years....it's all part of learning
from past experience and trying to make the product better.
Believe me, I'm no champion of GM products...I simply
work on the things. I'm thankful every day that GM can't
seem to figure out the 60 degree engine sealing problems.
I have to make a living too.....heh heh....

There are 3100/3400 engines that go even longer then
your vehicle before they have an intake manifold gasket
failure....my point is....at what point do you take
responsibility for your own vehicle? You cannot expect
GM to look after your vehicle from cradle to grave.
Even their "secret" extended warranties on items like
2.2 head gaskets only last up to 160,000 klms. Eventually,
even if the part has a known failure rate....you...the owner
.....has to take responsibility for repairing "your own" vehicle.

As it is...GM is stepping up to the plate and basically
repairing any intake gasket leaks up to 5 years/100,000
kilometers. And who knows.....any day now...it may
turn into what is referred to as "special policy" and it
may get extended out to 7 years/160,000 kilometers.
In which case, you will be able to get your money back
on the repair which you just had done. So I would
advise you to keep your receipts and keep an eye
on the situation. I'll be the first to let folks on here
know about any extended "special policy" as it
comes down the pipe.

Ian
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